View Full Version : OK, last one, part 8

October 25, 2005, 02:32
I had a few more uploaded and hit the submit button, so here goes.

Northern Pacific Rattlesnake from Yakima Co., WA


Pygmy Short-horned lizard from Yakima Co., WA


A couple of Californan kids I took out to find Sierra Mt. Kingsnakes. Kingsnakes all around, Klickitat Co., WA.


Rosy boa from the San Gabriel Mts. CA.


Another Rosy boa from Cabazon CA.


Jeremiah with a Southern Pacific Rattlesnake, Cabazon, CA.


Same rattlesnake


Banded gecko from Riverside Co. CA.


Hope you enjoyed, I sure had a good time finding them all!

October 25, 2005, 17:59
Horned lizards use to be everywhere here in Oklahoma back in the 1980's or so and they have just flat-out vanished. You had to watch where you stepped back then....now you can't find one at all.

October 27, 2005, 12:49
Originally posted by PowderDriver
Horned lizards use to be everywhere here in Oklahoma back in the 1980's or so and they have just flat-out vanished. You had to watch where you stepped back then....now you can't find one at all.

Now that you mention it, I haven't seen any "hornytoads" in a long time. The 8 years we spent living in the country between Drumright and Sapulpa, from 94-02, I never saw one. However, I saw plenty as a kid growing up in Del City in the 60's.

Hadn't thought about them in years...

October 27, 2005, 13:08
They seem to be declining from some areas, probably just a natural cycle or something.

October 27, 2005, 14:59
When I was a kid in west Texas, they were everywhere. It was no problem to spend 10 mins chaseing them around and end up with three or four big fat ones. Now we go back to visit and I have problems finding even one to show my son. Have you ever seen them shoot blood out of the corners of their eyes? Its no myth I have seen one do it..very freaky.

October 27, 2005, 16:43
We used to find them in North Texas too. I've read that the decline is due to a combination of development and the the invasion of fire ants. Horned lizards primary food is native ants, they will sit by a nest and feed. Fire ants are too aggressive and will attack the lizard.

October 27, 2005, 17:11
Well, in alot of cases, but there are other reasons in other places. They are on the decline in the Pacific NW due to introduction of non-native grasses and reduced grazing. They like open ground, when the cheat grass took everything over it left little open ground and created a root mat they can't burrow through. You definately won't find them where they cannot burrow deeply. Much of the cheat grass is no longer kept at bay by cattle. We don't have fire ants up here in the same places as the horny toads, but I bet they are wreaking havoc on the Southern ones.

On the other hand, I have been watching a group of them decline for over 10 years now, and nothing about the environment there seems to have changed. The ants, ground, and vegetation are all the same. Use to be able to find a dozen or two in one real small piece of ground, seems like it takes 2 hours just to find one now. Could have something to do with an over-population of protected birds of prey I suppose.

English Mike
October 27, 2005, 19:28
Thanks for the photo's W - I didn't know the US had so many different snakes.:bow:

October 28, 2005, 08:38
I agree, there are probably many regional causes for the decline. It's sad that many of the animals I grew up with in this area are becoming scarce. We used to find both eastern and western hognose snakes around here,
but they are getting hard to find also most likly due to the decreace of toads in the area.

October 29, 2005, 18:18
I cant figure it out in west texas..about the horny toads that is...It seems the same to me as it ever was..there are no fireants, and the grass cover has definately not increased...I just dont get it...I did find out that they are an endangered species. :(
I have a couple of old pictures around here, Ill see if I can get em scanned. One is me as a boy with two big ole fist sized ones hangin on the front of my shirt, and the other is of a baby HT, no bigger than my thumbnail.