Belt differences

[kroberts]

Hi Comrades,

I have a question. What is the difference between a web-belt and a duty belt. I want to by a tactical holster and will need a belt to hang it on. I also want to by a spare mag pouch for my left side. The gear websites all seem to describe their products to people who are all "hip to the scene". I am very un-hip:( .

Thanks,

kroberts

[yovinny]

There are many variations, but in a nut shell;

Web belt; cotton or nylon woven military style belt for load bearing or pistol carry. Usually 2 1/4" wide. Were used to seeing USGI ones, they have rows of grommets used for securing accessories.

Duty belt; usually leather, but could be nylon, belt used to carry a holster and accessories, usually 1 3/4' or 2" wide. This is you'r typical heavy leather "pistol" belt you see uniformed LEO's wear to carry there sidearm and accessories.

Cheers, YOOO VINNY

[Deltaten]

kroberts:

OK, I'll have a shot at it! ;)

Web-belt would be of a type similar to military issued; heavy weave, 2-2.3" wide, attaching gromets fixed in place or not, depending on origin of issue. Gear usually hung from it or attached to it

Duty belt would be a type similar to most police issued gear. Usually heavy leather or simulation/nylon weave. Holsters, and or other gear slide onto the belt as opposed to hanging from it (usually). Most around 2"

I prefer a 1 5/8' double layer leather for full time carry and competition. I hang an M-9 (?) Bianchi holster from my Deuce gear web-belt. Diferent "tools" for different jobs.

HTH,
Paul

[eggroll]

web belts derive their name from the material used in their construction - from cotton to nylon webbing used today.

a duty belt is a catch all term used describe a variety of belts from 1.5 to 2.75-3 in in width.

the better question here is what do you mean by tactical holster? and I dont mean a special 19.95 number from a catalog.

are you looking at a drop holster that 'hangs' down? If so, that holster actually straps around your thigh and uses the hanger to keep from falling down.

if this is the case, then you may want to look at SOE duty belts with a rigid insert and velcro loop lining the inside of the belt - while you're at it, get a good set of low profile suspenders like what High Speed Gear Inc. sells to prevent your belt saggin down from the weight - in that case, look at balancing out the other leg too with some sort of counterbalance.

The point being is you want a belt with some structure to it and wont deform when weight is applied.

EGG

www.geardo.com

[cabofdoom]

Try here http://thewilderness.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3


Great belt, great service, good price

One of the best belts I've owned


COD

[kroberts]

Morning All,

I'm thinking about trying my hand at tactical carbine matches. You get to do something besides shoot holes in paper. The standard rig everyone seems to use is a holster that straps around your thigh for support, and hangs from a belt. I guess I'll refine my holster choices for those that work with web belts.

Hmm, now I need to decide between MOLLE and MALICE...

Thanks,

kroberts

[eggroll]

MOLLE or MALICE? Are you debating between packs? If so, the MALICE 2 from tactical tailor is the better option IMO.

Chances are you may be misinformed about terminology?

MOLLE is modular lightweight loadbearing equipment

PALS is the LADDER webbing arrangement used by the MOLLE system to facilitate attachment of external pockets to various platforms - accomplished by interweaving a series of plastic reinforced straps through the webbing and snapping down the push-the-dot snap at the end of the strap.

MALICE - MALICE clips - a clip designed by Tactical Tailor to circumvent the hassle of licensing that strap - comes in 5 and 3 inch lengths and has the advantage of facilitating the attachment of legacy ALICE based gear.
Not as likely to come undone like the snap assembly, as it requires a flat screwdriver to disengage the locktab at the ends of each clip.

Cheers
EGG

[kroberts]

HeeHee

No I'm not ready for a chest rig yet. I was trying to make a funny at 5:30am. Another attempt to illustrate my un-hipness. Backfired as usual.

So many acronyms, So little time.

kroberts

[Stoney]

A web belt holds up your parts, a duty belt holds your holster, canteens, first aid pouch, magazine pouch. Also when wearing a duty belt your "under arms" and can wear your cover indoors. USMC regs.

[shootist87122]

Originally posted by kroberts
Morning All,

I'm thinking about trying my hand at tactical carbine matches. You get to do something besides shoot holes in paper. The standard rig everyone seems to use is a holster that straps around your thigh for support, and hangs from a belt. I guess I'll refine my holster choices for those that work with web belts.

Hmm, now I need to decide between MOLLE and MALICE...

Thanks,

kroberts

You don't want a duty belt or a web belt or even a thigh holster. I do a lot of tactical 3 gun and none of the top (or better) shooters use a thigh rig. If you are LEO and wearing gear that prevents wearing a holster on the hip, then it's an option.

You need your basic 1 1/2" Gunbelt (double thick leather) from any number of makers. (A 2" duty belt will not fit through your belt loops.) Milt Sparks http://www.miltsparks.com/ is one such maker and an excellent choice for a good hip holster too. I wear a Milt Sparts SS 2 (IWB) for carry and a kydex hip holster for competition, btw.

If you are getting down in the dirt with the long gun, you need a hip holster that can be worn behind the hip -- otherwise you end up with a pistol full of dirt. It also must retain the pistol when you go flopping down prone in a hurry. Properly made and fitted, it will not require a safety strap. It's also important to get your holster loops the same size as your belt.

[dadman]

Recently, I participated in a 3-Gun match at the range/club I'm a member of.
Some shooters, maybe most, had un-hip gear & garb.
Seen some grey and white haired un-hipsters shoot smooth and accurate with rifle, shotgun, and pistol.
Some examples seen:

Rifle ammo/mags carried with LBE/duty belt with a GI issue/M16/AR mag pouch(es) on the back or side.

Handguns used holster on strong side of LBE/duty belt with pistol mags on other side, along with previous mentioned rifle pouches.
Seen some leg/thigh mounted holsters.

Shotgun ammo was seen carried in diagonaly slung shoulder carriers, belt mounted hard plastic carriers, in BDU pants pockets, pockets of photographer/hunting vests, etc.

If you wan't a belt only set-up, maybe holster on strong side, pistol mag holders on weak side, rifle mag pouche(es) on backside, and some sort of utility pouch for shotshells on strong side(or support). A utility pouch can be a 1qt canteen cover, mag pouch, SAW pouch, etc.

Use what you got. Cheap is good and works if you know what your doing.
Upgrade to some hip stuff if the cheap/simple route doesn't work for you or doesn't feel right.
I shot a pistol match once using a BDU pants thigh/cargo pocket for a un-tactical mag holder. Reached in and grabbed a mag.

Myself, I was a little on the hip side. A blend of hip and non-hip.
I had a Fobus holster on strong side placing it over the top of belt and the inner clip/paddle on the inside of the pants. Wasn't attached directly to the leather heavy-duty work-type belt. Fobus two mag holder was on left/support side of pants.
For rifle and shotgun, I used a Tactical Tailor MAV two piece vest with the X-harness. I attached to the front of the vest four USGI 30rd. mag pouches.
Two pouches on the left/support side had two 20rd FAL mags apiece. The inner pouch on the right/strong side had shotshells. The outer pouch on right side was empty, but was standby for pistol mags if needed.
I did it this way because I wanted each type of ammo at hand, and a couple stages had you shooting each firearm in succesion.
The X-harness also provided some recoil cushion in the shoulder area.
My Tactical Tailor stuff was purchased from www.lightfighter.com .
The MALICE clips eggroll mentions were also gotten from LF. They seem to be holding up ok.
Not belt info, but here's some pics of the TT MAV and MALICE clips: http://www.bob-oracle.com/TT.htm

Skill up, gear up, and go shooting.