BEWARE when dealing with Jen/ Falfiles Administrator.

[ASR]

On February 25, 2004 I mailed Jen a check for $210.00 as full payment for the following.

1 Magpul M93A Modular Stock System (Black)

1 Full loop sling

1 12 Pack 5.56 (Black)



Link to my cleared check.

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/areyes926/detail?.dir=/e71f&.dnm=c6a5.jpg


Link to Magpul Group buy.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97521


And up to now I am still waiting for my order to be delivered. Jen has promised several times that she will resolve this but never materialized. Jen will not answer PM’s, emails or posts on the board.

I personally have not heard directly from her since June 17, 2004 and her last update on the Magpul Group Buy thread at the Market Place board July 28, 2004.

It seems like she totally stopped communicating with all the members that ordered and still waiting for their orders from the group buy including the Aimpoint Group Buy.

Link to Aimpoint group buy.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98435


I have given Jen more than enough time to resolve this matter considering all her excuses of having to wait for Magpul to send the stock, computers problems, her admission of taking too much orders that she could handle and server problems.

On my Sept. 22, 2004 post, PM and tried email but she stopped receiving email from the Falfiles board I have given Jen till the end of Sept. 2004 to send what I ordered or issue me a $210.00 M.O. refund.

With Jen’s unresponsive ways, she is not giving me any other choice but to pursue other ways that will include legal action and that I will make sure Jen’s unprofessional and unacceptable behavior especially as the Administrator of the Falfiles board will not go unnoticed in the gun community.


ASR

[URBAN ASSAULT]

I feel your pain friend, but remember that the squeakiest wheel gets the grease, and the loudest goose gets cooked first. It sucks that you have to go to this extreme to get your product or refund, but you need to be ready to duck-and-cover from the artillery thats probably coming. I hope you don't get banned over this. Cheers...

[Muggzy]

He deserves a reply and or the stuff he paid for.

I'm not the only one watching this.

Banned? I don't think so.

[Witchhunter]

IBTL :rofl:

[J. Armstrong]

Well, this ought to get interesting, for lack of a better word !!

[Temp]

Would ya settle for a sack of Polo shirts?

[instr8]

Just want to get this in my "recently viewed" and then i'm off to get a box of popcorn before the excitement starts. How does that auto-refresh work again....

[rwwje]

The scanned canceled check indicates that a check in payment for merchandise was delivered, accepted, deposited, and paid . That being the case, the merchandise should have been delivered long ago, or a refund promtly issued. If the truth what has been presented, this issue should have been resolved six months or more ago.

[Ohfal]

You would think that after the kits and the polo shirts people would learn.

[Temp]

Originally posted by rwwje

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/224264/NSS.jpg

The scanned canceled check indicates that a check in payment for merchandise was delivered, accepted, deposited, and paid . That being the case, the merchandise should have been delivered long ago, or a refund promtly issued. If the truth what has been presented, this issue should have been resolved six months or more ago.

That boy got a head on him like a puddle of mule piss!

[16R40]

Originally posted by Ohfal
You would think that after the kits and the polo shirts people would learn.

the sad part is, they never do.

[ASR]

Originally posted by rwwje
The scanned canceled check indicates that a check in payment for merchandise was delivered, accepted, deposited, and paid . That being the case, the merchandise should have been delivered long ago, or a refund promtly issued. If the truth what has been presented, this issue should have been resolved six months or more ago.

Hi,

The scanned check only indicates that Jen deposited the my check and cleared
but she never sent what I ordered or issued a refund.

Go to the last few pages
of the Magpul Groups which I provided the link on top and you will see that other people are in the same situation.

Thanks,

ASR

[16R40]

but to be fair, ARS is new so he really didn't know about it......I'm willing to bet that the threads about the kits, and the shirts are gone, and looking at the "trader rating" isn't going to help one bit. I hope you get your money back.

[Jen]

ASR: A refund was sent to you, TimV, and BS this evening by Paypal.

I have not been online nor checking email for the past month+ so I am sorry if your inquiries went unanswered.

[ASR]

Originally posted by Jen
ASR: A refund was sent to you, TimV, and BS this evening by Paypal.

I have not been online nor checking email for the past month+ so I am sorry if your inquiries went unanswered.

I will post here when I get the refund.

Thanks,

ASR

[Jen]

Paypal is instant so you might try logging in to your paypal account.

[rwwje]

Our faith is restored. :wink:

Temp = (the) Troll Enquiring Mind's Punk; in other words, EM's Klan bitch. :rolleyes:

[LV Hospice RN]

Originally posted by Temp
Would ya settle for a sack of Polo shirts?

:rofl:

[ER]

Jimmy Valvano, former coach at NC State University, once said in a speech that everyone needs to do 3 things everyday. He was suffering with terminal cancer at the time.....

1.) Laugh
2.)Cry
3.)Learn something

Good words to live by, and I have seen this come to pass several times, Many times actually. Today, I haven`t done (1). Then (2) was a very fleeting moment, but this thread opened my eyes to (3).......

Step 1.....sell advertised product, and get paid via cash/check
Step 2.....don`t deliver merchandise, while riding 7 months on interest free money
Step 3......pay refund 7 months later using my CC,(or divert paypal funds to pay off another paypal account), via paypal, which is much less interest than a cash advance on my CC would be.

Voila, low interest loan when amortized across 12 months(or however long) without going thru the bank or credit agency.

This is the greatest website known to man! Learn all about guns, finances, love life, etc, ALL ON 1 WEBSITE!!

[ASR]

Originally posted by Jen
Paypal is instant so you might try logging in to your paypal account.

Hi,

Just letting everybody know that I finally received my overdue refund minus the Paypal fees.

I don't really have any nice things to say about this experience so I will leave it at that.

Thanks for the time,

ASR

[darkknight9]

Originally posted by ER
This is the greatest website known to man! Learn all about guns, finances, love life, etc, ALL ON 1 WEBSITE!!

Love life?

I'm missing out on that one.....

[Ricketts]

She didn't cover your Paypal fees on HER screw up??

Unbelievable.

[Jen]

Ricketts - I have no way of knowing what someones paypal account does or does not charge when they receive money. Some accounts are charged nothing to receive, others have variable rates. I've already PM'd ASR about this and I'll send him whatever paypal charged, plus whatever to cover the fees.


rdc01 - The kits were paid off LAST year in full.

[STxDR]

Give Jen a break And to slam a Admin, as you maybe have noticed if you are not a brainless IDIOT it cost money for you Yaks to sit here and jab your ass off on stupid shit.

Flame me if you want I dont give a Fvck, half you idiots dont have a personal face to face relationship with her, she's been through some shit with the Tornado, and other mishaps not due to her part at all.


So basically drop it, if she says she will do something, she will do it but damn idiots, you try doing all the stuff her, GP, Rich and the other good folks here do for you. Use that brain my friend. Mishaps happen, Mistakes happen we are HUMAN!!!!! not God. You got your refund, she is going to address the fee's, and I et on the next order if you dont act like an ass, she'd probably give ya a good deal on an item you been drooling over.

Lay Off her, she does more for you in your "Hobby" than your wife does. And I bet I'm dead on that one.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[FWRA]

Originally posted by STxDR
Give Jen a break And to slam a Admin, as you maybe have noticed if you are not a brainless IDIOT it cost money for you Yaks to sit here and jab your ass off on stupid shit.

Flame me if you want I dont give a Fvck, half you idiots dont have a personal face to face relationship with her, she's been through some shit with the Tornado, and other mishaps not due to her part at all.


So basically drop it, if she says she will do something, she will do it but damn idiots, you try doing all the stuff her, GP, Rich and the other good folks here do for you. Use that brain my friend. Mishaps happen, Mistakes happen we are HUMAN!!!!! not God. You got your refund, she is going to address the fee's, and I et on the next order if you dont act like an ass, she'd probably give ya a good deal on an item you been drooling over.

Lay Off her, she does more for you in your "Hobby" than your wife does. And I bet I'm dead on that one.

:mad: :mad: :mad:


Relax stxdr.

Some of us have been here a LONG time and your chastising post is naive let alone childish. When someone buys something...they have every right to expect quick delivery or a refund. "Stupid shit"? Eight months waiting for the resolution of a non delivery problem is not stupid shit. Add to that non communication and you have the post you commented on.

Not flaming you...but wake up and smell the coffee. The ass here is NOT ASR. ;)

Also...glad you love Fal Files.....it's a great place. Is your contribution in the mail? At this point in time it would be greatly appreciated.

[fry]

waits for thread to be locked

[FWRA]

Originally posted by fry
waits for thread to be locked

:biggrin: Hey...with the post I commented on...so be it. That poster was the ass here. That post was unnecessary and if a pitch for a donation is a bad thing? Hey! Very seldom does the Old Fart get fired up about a post...but this one got me.


Thread locking Nomex suit on.......

:biggrin:

[Ricketts]

Jen----my Paypal account costs me money to receive payments and I am pretty sure they all do. They do nothing for free. I am glad you saw fit to refund that money but for a person to get dragged along and then to have it cost to get what is rightfully due does not look right considering what is going on. I am glad you took care of it. Thank you.

And, STxDR--

Butt out. Who the hell made you Jen's protector? Those of us who have been arouond a while remember the Tornado and all the other crap so don't lecture me. We protect her too but also point out issues too. She's tough and will survive all this.

Now, go put a check in the mail to her before you flap your deadbeat lips. I've paid my dues.

[Right Side Up @ 1000 MPH]

Hey Mark, is that you a couple of posts above? I couldn't really tell, the avatar is so small......... :rofl:


Just kidding...........

:bigangel:

[alpha8045]

Originally posted by Ricketts
Jen----my Paypal account costs me money to receive payments and I am pretty sure they all do. They do nothing for free. I am glad you saw fit to refund that money but for a person to get dragged along and then to have it cost to get what is rightfully due does not look right considering what is going on. I am glad you took care of it. Thank you.

And, STxDR--

Butt out. Who the hell made you Jen's protector? Those of us who have been arouond a while remember the Tornado and all the other crap so don't lecture me. We protect her too but also point out issues too. She's tough and will survive all this.

Now, go put a check in the mail to her before you flap your deadbeat lips. I've paid my dues.

Ricketts and FWRA:

STxDR is a personal friend of Jen's. That's "personal friend" as in has met Jen personally, has known Jen for years, and has spent innumerable amounts of time helping Jen out with this website and too many other ventures to mention.

So, slow your roll, cowboy.

And in case you didn't realize, there are innumerable ways to contribute to this website, besides monetarily. Just because I don't have a contributor tag next to my name doesn't mean that I haven't paid my dues, monetarily or otherwise. So, knock off the hard sell -- that high-school peer pressure "All the cool kids are doing it" tactic is fuckin' lame.


Jeremy

[762minigun]

Originally posted by Right Side Up @ 1000 MPH
Hey Mark, is that you a couple of posts above? I couldn't really tell, the avatar is so small......... :rofl:


Just kidding...........

:bigangel:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SrBenelli]

Originally posted by Ricketts
Jen----my Paypal account costs me money to receive payments and I am pretty sure they all do.

My Paypal account doesn't charge me anything to receive funds.......

As for the rest of the "issues".........it would seem ASR ordered somthing, never received, and the refund "fell thru the cracks" for whatever reason. He posted this thread, asking for payment, and quite promptly received it! As far as I'm concerned.....it's a non-issue now.
And as for locking threads and/or banning people......how many of y'all have been here for how long? Does any of that sound like anything Jen would do? In the 4 years I've been here, you could always count on Jen to stand up and be held accountable. Any time she's been "called out", she's stood tall before us and explained her position. No locking, deleting or banning.....

She's got my respect.

[Ohfal]

I have not been online nor checking email for the past month+ so I am sorry if your inquiries went unanswered. [/B][/QUOTE]




Who’s running the asylum?

[Ricketts]

And Alpha-- you guys coming out saying 'I Know Jen' don't impress me not even a little bit. And how come you guys that "Know Jen" are such BIG supporters of the board that you only come out when the shit is flying?? Believe me--I've seen Jen in action in the past and she don't need your help defending herself. She does a great job of that.

What impresses me is someone getting the shit thrown at them and yet CONSISTENTLY does the right thing. Clearly, this has been in question over the years with some of the dealings that have gone over the dam here. Kits and a tornado, Polo shirts, locking shoulders--Jen seems to try to do her best--but dropping off the face of the earth, not accepting emails for a month and not refunding a guy's money after 8 months--This does NOT impress me either.

And you have the stones to tell us to knock off the hard sell--just what in the hell do you think is going on in this "I'm closing the FAL Files" thing?? That is hard sell too dammit--so why don't YOU lay off your crap??? I've seen nothing from you that means anything to me yet, bucko. At least I've got a visable "Contributor" tag.

Maybe all you guys that have this secret wink and handshake with her could talk her into putting a "contributor" next to your name considering your contribution was so VALUABLE? It would make it so easy in the MANY times this THE BOARD IS BROKE thing has happened to seperate the wheat from the chaffe. Because really--now--that's all we can use as a gage on this board as to who supports the board--we can't see a wink and a handshake.

Either do that, or kill the whole Contributor designation ENTIRELY. Because it seems that little tag is breeding an eliteist mindset here. I have my Contributor tag--you don't so you must be a deadbeat. Is that right, especially since there are innumerable ways to contribute to this website, besides monetarily. ?? But the money ones are the only ones that get public thanks by that stupid little "Contributor" line.

I am glad Jen took care of this. Thank you Jen.

[STxDR]

Whats up Jeremy, long time no see.

FWRA for your info, my post chastices no one, it sets known facts straight and as for my contribution to the board......keep your mouth shut cause you have no clue what your talking about, I contribute, I just dont need a "bronze silver or gold contributor" next to my name just to make me feel special or important. I just find it really funny, everyone here has dealt with Jen over the years and 1 instance of a mess up she becomes the Evil Queen of all this. Now I can see why she's not pushing for money to keep the board up. I'd hate to deal with some of you on a daily basis. Yeah I been here long time also, just don't post much because of a bunch of your attitudes. Childish, I think not. My post said exactly what needed to be said. Come on FWRA... for an old fart I'd expect a better response than that.

Hell I even offered to take the board over from Jen to get rid of this burden she has to deal with. But I recanted that idea after reading all this BS.

So you Faloholics...enjoy not having a place to mingle anymore and share idea's.

[Ricketts]

everyone here has dealt with Jen over the years and 1 instance of a mess up she becomes the Evil Queen of all this.

Boy--that line shows how much you REALLY know. ONE Instance?? Go back to sleep, Rip Van Winkle. You really demonstrated how LONG you have been here--You set NOTHING straight. You said gibberish.

Take over the board?? That's been offered MANY times too. And while we all like Jen and all, if you are willing to take over the board, someone else would too. In fact, it was offered in the Help the Files thread. 2-3 times IIRC.

[Bruce Allen]

STxDR:
Your assertion that all this comes from "1 instance" just isn't accurate.

BTW - I have contributed money for both "membership" and other funds in the past so I have something invested also, which gives me a right to speak to this issue.

The problem is this is the latest instance of a problem. There have now been many of them.

The first that I can recall was the kit mess where the warehouse was destroyed by the storm.

It was clear the mess was not Jen's fault (but was Mother Natures) by any stretch of the imagination, but also showed Jen's resources were light at best.
The matter was finally resolved by the good-hearted generosity of the Files members, obviously working with Jen.

Since then it is like Jen's efforts to continue the Files and participate in "Group Buys" has been snake bit.

There has been a number of group buys since then and some have been satisfactorily carried thru and some have not.

IMHO - from what I can tell Jen does seem to make an effort to do what is right.
It does seem to me her "resource light" position may be her primary problem.
[Notice here, and on my other 3 posts about this I have taken great pains not to make any outright accusations of any immoral or incorrect behavior. I am not now.]

The end result is what we are seeing now.
Issues like this do not happen unless there is a problem.
Personally I do think Jen has a right to draw some form of compensation from her time spent working on the Files, however, that is taking into account all bills are being paid in relation to the operation of the Files.

Good intentions are not enough to manage an business operation.
What I am voicing now is my belief that the Files are not being managed in such a way that these emergency fundraisers are necessary.
Being "resource light" is not necessarily Jen's problem, but for sure is in not the Files problem, nor should it be.

In case you have not noticed this is a big red flag. First it is said the bills have not been paid in full for 3 months, then it is said the time is actually a year.

That is a problem.

Many have pointed out this is the best gun related website on the web.
I agree.

If these problems were resolved it would been even better.

If everybody, or at least a majority doesn't mind the Files being run this way, then so be it.
I think it would be accurate to say both sides of this are not particularly satisfied: Jen and the Board.

I suspect the main problem is Jen is simply over her head, which would be a perfect example of the "Peter Principle".

Let's resolve this issue correctly and hopefully permanently (as possible).
I know if issues like this are not address fully and timely they will die until another "emergency" arises. I have seen too many organizations in operation not to know this is true.

There are so many options that have already been put on the table it doesn't seem that a adequate resolution cannot be found.

What do you guys say?

[Gunga Din]

Originally posted by SrBenelli
My Paypal account doesn't charge me anything to receive funds.......
Same for me.

[Gunga Din]

Originally posted by Bruce Allen
.....What do you guys say?
I agree that a long term solution is needed. But if it doesn't at least originate at the top, it isn't going to happen.
Truth is the once a year crisis situation seems to allow us to skid by. We want the Files to survive, so we send in money. I sent in $100. yesterday and I'll help in next year's crisis also, God willing. The Files needs a CFO (unpaid volunteer), but she's gotta ask.
With a CFO, she would have the time she needs to properly manage things: stay on top of her suppliers, track orders, and ship product on a timely basis, implement solutions for her email nightmare (over 1000 spam messages daily), and handle the vast amount of programming chores. Her present duties represent a full-time job for about 1 1/2 people. Is it any wonder she gets behind and finds it difficult to plan ahead?

[fastfreddy]

Originally posted by fry
waits for thread to be locked

I have NEVER seen such as that from Jen.

Is anyone shocked that Jen is not perfect? Neither am I perfect. Neither are you. There are a lot of Kerry imitators popping up here lately. "I would run a board just like Jen runs the board but I would do it better. It would be just like Jen's board but everything would be done differently. I have a plan" It sounds like the guys who watch a football game and proclaim "I would have run that same play but I would have completed the pass".

It means a great deal to me to see that, through the travails and pitfalls that confront her, Jen has consistently sought to do the right thing. Sometimes slow, occasionally clumsy, sometimes over her head...... Jen perseveres, learns, overcomes and sees that the right thing gets done as she is able.

Jen has character and honor, though she is not perfect. That's good enough for me. If you don't like it, find another board or spend your time convincing yourself that you would have played a better game than the quarterback/pitcher/guard who was actually in the arena.

I would like to hear from those of you who have NEVER fallen short or made a mistake at work; Those who never had to make an excuse or wish they had done it differently. Please chime in if you have never regretted procrastinating, never had to be reminded, or never could have done better.

If anybody has actual suggestions as to how we might best assist Jen in her honorable but humanly imperfect management, I'm sure they would be welcomed.

[g5]

Over 1000 spam messages daily? I'd quit ever looking at email if I received that.

[Bruce Allen]

Originally posted by fastfreddy
................If anybody has actual suggestions as to how we might best assist Jen in her honorable but humanly imperfect management, I'm sure they would be welcomed.
Agreed.

First we have to know exactly what the problem is in order to correct it.
"I don't have the money" is not specific.

Specific information about this has not been forthcoming.

The question is why, not what.

[ricochet]

Jeez, it is so simple!

Or is it? Jen aint stoopid, she offers what she can. How much do you make? Should she answer to that? Should she work for free??

C'mon guys, we are here because we enjoy being here. Even Al gore never promised us "internet and sites free" (although he tried).

Jen is human, she needs funding. Ya work for free? Ya offer what?

Jen is here for US. And I am glad she is. If she buys a steak one day, I'm happy. You guys should sit back and think, we have more freedom thsn does Jen (at what cost?) .

[Mebsuta]

It's not that big of a deal. Nobody has to disclose nothing. We have a crash fundraiser once a year. So what. FreeRepublic has them every quarter. Just enjoy the board.

[kfranz]

This isn't about the board, it's about a failure to deliver merchandise that had been paid for. I bought in on the same deal, 7 OD x51 magpuls. Took 60 or 90 days from time of payment, intermittent communication, 1 I'm sending them tomorrow then no puls. I eventually got them, and 5 extra for the wait, but ASR certainly posted an accurate review. There really just isn't an acceptable excuse for non communication.

[vicg1]

Originally posted by Gunga Din

Same for me.

the only way you can receive $ for free on paypal is to have a "personal" account and the payment must be made from someones paypal account balance, not a credit card or bank transfer "echeck".

[Gunga Din]

Originally posted by vicg1
.....the payment must be made from someones paypal account balance,
Or from a bank account. My PayPal business (personal account) is conducted straight from my checking account.
I don't know anything about echecks.
I do know it doesn't cost me anything.
I also do not accept payments from anyone who wants to fund their payment by credit card, as that would cost me something.

[vicg1]

Originally posted by Gunga Din

Or from a bank account. My PayPal business (personal account) is conducted straight from my checking account.
I don't know anything about echecks.
I do know it doesn't cost me anything.
I also do not accept payments from anyone who wants to fund their payment by credit card, as that would cost me something.


...an echeck is what paypal calls a transfer from a bank account...

[rocko]

Originally posted by vicg1



...an echeck is what paypal calls a transfer from a bank account...

Actually, an echeck is different - while it is drawn on a bank account, the recipient has to wait for it to clear, just like a personal check. The funds from an "instant transfer" are available to the recipient immediately. I've gotten both instant transfers and the echecks to my personal account - without charge.

However, regardless of how the payment is made, once you "upgrade" to anything beyond a personal account, they ding you for their fees no matter what the source payment is. So, if you upgrade to accept one CC payment, you'll continue to get dinged for every transaction sent to you - even if it would have been a free transaction to anyone with the Personal account.

[sf46]

Originally posted by Ohfal
You would think that after the kits and the polo shirts people would learn.

So I'm not the only one still waiting on a polo shirt?:confused:

[twodog]

If memory serves me, the money we paid for the polo shirts ended up being a donation to keep the forum operating. I bought one and gave up on getting it or a refund. Even had to prove that I had ordered one (thank God for PayPal). I was listed as a contributer for a year as a result of my donation.

[garybob]

Bruce Allen's post # 38 says it all. I concur......................

[FWRA]

Originally posted by Right Side Up @ 1000 MPH
Hey Mark, is that you a couple of posts above? I couldn't really tell, the avatar is so small......... :rofl:


Just kidding...........

:bigangel:

No you aren't kidding...it is small. :biggrin:

Not for long though....with my Pay Pay $100 contribution last night I'll soon be a Vendor..Silver Contributor with 75x75 avatar. Not huge...but a vast improvement.

Jen? Are you listening? Make me Silver Gal!

FWRA

[vmtz]

Originally posted by FWRA


No you aren't kidding...it is small. :biggrin:

Not for long though....with my Pay Pay $100 contribution last night I'll soon be a Vendor..Silver Contributor with 75x75 avatar. Not huge...but a vast improvement.

Jen? Are you listening? Make me Silver Gal!

FWRA

Seems to me you are having avatar envy. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Vince

[Bruce Allen]

Were all of these items any kind of group buy, or just items for sale by Jen?

Magpul M93A Modular Stock System (Black)

Full loop sling

12 Pack 5.56 (Black)???

Follow up question: how many others sent money and have not recieved the items to date?

[sf46]

Originally posted by twodog
If memory serves me, the money we paid for the polo shirts ended up being a donation to keep the forum operating. I bought one and gave up on getting it or a refund. Even had to prove that I had ordered one (thank God for PayPal). I was listed as a contributer for a year as a result of my donation.

Is donation what you call it when you don't have a choice in the matter?

[DaisyCutter]

People shouldn't get ripped up for posting a review of a good/service received or lack thereof.

If, you aren't involved in the transaction or interested in buying the same product, you should STFU.

Knowing someone personally is totally irrelavent if you aren' t otherwise involved in the transaction.

[Enquiring Minds]

Originally posted by rwwje

Temp = (the) Troll Enquiring Mind's Punk; in other words, EM's Klan bitch. :rolleyes:

Someone's cranky... suffering a meth crash? :o

Anyway, I have no truck with Jen on group buys, in fact the DSA receiver deal worked out great, polo shirt not so great, but an accomodation was reached.

In fact that seems to be the general trend--i.e. Jen handles information better than tangible hardware. She should stick with that DSA biz model, where she uses the "gravity nexus" of this site to put together the deal, but the vendor actually does the drop shipping, and Jen gets her cut without losing it all on tape and boxes and gasoline... and TIME.

I'm sure it gets a bit overwhelming converting a large part of her abode into a pack-n-ship mailroom operation. I did it once long ago... after a while all that junk stacked up in your living room fades into the background, like the furniture, and you stop dealing with it on a DAILY basis... then the days off turn into weeks.

Good Luck Jen! Try to step back and gain a "Zen" perspective on your web-baby. Stop selling merch at cost in return for hero worship. :wink: You DO add value, so there's nothing wrong with getting a slice of the transaction.

[BT]

I left the Falfiles long ago and decided to never post here again. However, I cannot be quiet in regard to this issue. So many of the newer members dont have a clue as to the amount of money the membership has lost.

let me give you one example

650 polo shirts was sold by jen at 45$ each, NONE were delivered and no reason was ever given as to what happened to the 29,250$ dollars that was entrusted to her...

we are not talking a hundred dollars, or a thousand dollars... we are talking tens of thousands

now, if you want to say "ohhh poor baby Jen..." then you go right ahead, but you do so knowing that she stole close to 30K from us older members

and it was us members who did our best to help those who lost money in the imbel group buy... not jen, who at first resisted the idea

I have said more than I should and I leave once more... my apologies, but I could not stand by any longer and listen to this "poor Jen" crap again

[Jen]

BT: Ok... so 650 polos were sold.. paypals were refunded or put towards contributor status (as some requested) and not 1 check / money order that was sent in was cashed.. So the $29,000 you speak of sure as hell isn't in my pocket and didn't pay anything into this site.

[JohninVT]

So how many refunds were given, roughly? Half? That leaves nearly 15 grand. If a member upgrade payment doesn't go towards the site....where does it go? Nevermind....that's none of my business. :biggrin: Have a great day and congrats on pulling through.......again.

[Jen]

John - I'm not sure what orifice you're pulling your numbers out of, but let me re-itterate here.. I NEVER cashed any of the checks or money orders that were sent, and all but a few of the paypals were refunded and that money went into the site, but it sure as hell wasn't $15k worth!

[JohninVT]

Originally posted by Jen
John - I'm not sure what orifice you're pulling your numbers out of, but let me re-itterate here.. I NEVER cashed any of the checks or money orders that were sent, and all but a few of the paypals were refunded and that money went into the site, but it sure as hell wasn't $15k worth!

Hey Jen-you're the only person who can end the speculating surrounding the boards finances and all that would take is the truth. A few is three. There are a lot more than three people who sent money that was not refunded. It's not so much just the polo debacle as the PATTERN of debacles that is confusing. The other thing that is confusing is when you say things like the bill for hosting is 3 grand and you're shutting down in 8 days. Yet you don't mention that the three grand is the overdue bill for the past year....not one month. Then you turn around and say the monthly bill is over $1200. Yet we know you've got a sweetheart deal with Xanatos that's maybe a third of that each month. It's all very confusing. If you'd like to discuss orifices we can take it to PM's.

Sincerely,
John

[LV Hospice RN]

Originally posted by BT
I left the Falfiles long ago and decided to never post here again. However, I cannot be quiet in regard to this issue. So many of the newer members dont have a clue as to the amount of money the membership has lost. I have said more than I should and I leave once more... my apologies, but I could not stand by any longer and listen to this "poor Jen" crap again

I was in for two shirts, one via snail mail another by paypal. I DID receive credit back on the paypal one, it was credited back to my paypal account. The other one, due to MY poor bookkeeping, was lost due to not being able to find a receipt for the MO. BUT to get my refund i admit i was the squeeky wheel...after opening a thread where i just wanted an answer the money magically appeared in my account, no explanation, no "you been refunded", nothing...just poof, there it is. I wonder how many others sent in a M.O. then couldnt "prove" they ordered a shirt?

It left a bad taste in my mouth and while i am a contributor i didn't dive in head first to "bail me (Jen) out again". I too got a bit tired of the "poor jen" defenders who ran to her defense even when it was clear she wasnt even trying to communicate about the shirts.

Its really a very simple decision. I LIKE it here...so i supported her site by becoming a contributor. I won't have anything to do with any group buy or anything she has something to do with that involves money and/or trust. IMHO if you like the site, donate, if you dont want too, don't. Ain't nothing free in life.

[rob1]

Originally posted by SrBenelli


My Paypal account doesn't charge me anything to receive funds.......
.
mine does

[VoceNoctum]

Originally posted by Bruce Allen
Were all of these items any kind of group buy, or just items for sale by Jen?

Magpul M93A Modular Stock System (Black)

Full loop sling

12 Pack 5.56 (Black)???

Follow up question: how many others sent money and have not recieved the items to date?

The Magpul group buy seemed to work okay at first, then supplies went wrong. I paypaled the money for a stock, a month went buy and I had to send it again because it timed out. Jen said she'd cancel if no stuff showed up soon, so when it expired again I just told her to email me if the stocks showed. She never accepted the paypal payment because she didn't have product to ship, so there was nothing to refund.

[sf46]

Of course, I'm so smart I paid for polo shirts on both the FAL Files and AR15.com and got took by both boards.

[LV Hospice RN]

Originally posted by sf46
Of course, I'm so smart I paid for polo shirts on both the FAL Files and AR15.com and got took by both boards.

What happened in a shirt buy over there?

[gunhead]

Originally posted by Ricketts
Jen----my Paypal account costs me money to receive payments and I am pretty sure they all do. They do nothing for free.

Hi Ricketts;
My PayPal account is free to use because its a personnal account.
I can receive up to $1000 per month without any charges.
I can send funds for free.
They will transfer funds to my bank account for free also.
They make thier monies when you change to a business account, then they charge you 3% plus 30 cents for each transaction.
I choose the pay zero if I can:rofl:
Rich

[Ricketts]

I guess that is the reason then. Mine is one of the Business-premier accounts and NOTHING is free. Well, a transfer of my money to my bank account is but they thake the 3% cut at auction's end.

[fry]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fry
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I have NEVER seen such as that from Jen.

Is anyone shocked that Jen is not perfect? Neither am I perfect. Neither are you. There are a lot of Kerry imitators popping up here lately. "I would run a board just like Jen runs the board but I would do it better. It would be just like Jen's board but everything would be done differently. I have a plan" It sounds like the guys who watch a football game and proclaim "I would have run that same play but I would have completed the pass".

It means a great deal to me to see that, through the travails and pitfalls that confront her, Jen has consistently sought to do the right thing. Sometimes slow, occasionally clumsy, sometimes over her head...... Jen perseveres, learns, overcomes and sees that the right thing gets done as she is able.

Jen has character and honor, though she is not perfect. That's good enough for me. If you don't like it, find another board or spend your time convincing yourself that you would have played a better game than the quarterback/pitcher/guard who was actually in the arena.

I would like to hear from those of you who have NEVER fallen short or made a mistake at work; Those who never had to make an excuse or wish they had done it differently. Please chime in if you have never regretted procrastinating, never had to be reminded, or never could have done better.

If anybody has actual suggestions as to how we might best assist Jen in her honorable but humanly imperfect management, I'm sure they would be welcomed.


_________________


Are you talking to me?



:rolleyes:

[Hawk]

Originally posted by gunhead


Hi Ricketts;
My PayPal account is free to use because its a personnal account.
I can receive up to $1000 per month without any charges.
I can send funds for free.
They will transfer funds to my bank account for free also.
They make thier monies when you change to a business account, then they charge you 3% plus 30 cents for each transaction.
I choose the pay zero if I can:rofl:
Rich

I don't receive funds through paypal very often a matter fact I have only received funds twice. Both times I had to personally transfere those funds to my bank account and both times there was a service charge. I did this maybe 3 or 4 yrs ago so if they stopped leving a service charge for withdrawals that would encourage me to use paypal more often.

On another note, pertaining to the site, I feel like a 7 yr old hiding behind a corner listening to my parents argue over who mistreats me the most.

[gunhead]

Originally posted by Hawk


I don't receive funds through paypal very often a matter fact I have only received funds twice. Both times I had to personally transfere those funds to my bank account and both times there was a service charge. I did this maybe 3 or 4 yrs ago so if they stopped leving a service charge for withdrawals that would encourage me to use paypal more often.


Like I said, you must have a business account which PayPal tries most vigorously to get me to switch to. They do this every month as I start to near my $1000 receive limit. That is because with this type account, they charge for everything.
With my Personnel I only opt to pay $1.50 for them to send me my accumulated monthly funds, via a check from them.
I can "spring" for a Buck Fifty, once a month or so:wink:
Rich

[Ricketts]

Uh, yeah, Gunhead. That makes sense as long as you don't mind giving them $1.50 every month or so and still let them use your accumulated money to do their thing. You are giving them an interest free loan.

They LOVE that thought process.

[gunhead]

Originally posted by Ricketts
Uh, yeah, Gunhead. That makes sense as long as you don't mind giving them $1.50 every month or so and still let them use your accumulated money to do their thing. You are giving them an interest free loan.

They LOVE that thought process.

Believe me Ricketts, I don't leave it in there for very long so they don't make to much on me but please remember, they are providing me a service which I use daily, for "practically free" so I really have no gripes with them making a few bucks a month. I throw away much more then that on useless junque:cool:
Rich

[48th Highlander]

I chaulked up my polo's rip off to a contribution, however I learned my lesson.

I guess you could say I gave the shirt off my back.

[BroncoMafia]

If Jen was not the owner of this board, how many of you would buy things from her in the EE based on her track record?

For myself, I sometimes buy from Jen when she has a deal (like the magpuls) because I believe in some way it will help the board.

However, my rule of thumb with her is to get a deliverey schedule, and then constantly stay on top of her once that deadline arrives.

When I say stay on top of her, I mean posting replies in the original thread AND using PMs at the same time to request updates, and continue these contacts until the product is delivered.

I have found the combination of public and private reminders to be effective.

For those who say that Jen deserves to make money off the board, I agree, but the bulk of that money should be from Advertising revenue, not membership contributions.
Membership fees should be enough to keep the board up and running as a high performance feature rich board, and the advertising revenue should be pure profit.
Keep membership costs down to a min to maximize the number of members and you attract more advertisers and can charge them more because of the higher number of true (paying) members that will see thier ads.

Many people have impressed me with their passion and willingness to assist Jen (Mark Powell, JohnnyVT) but their efforts are not appreciated by Jen, who seems to take them as attacks or a veiled attempt to steal the board from her.

Of course, I have let my contributor status lapse until I see some kind of change in the way the board is run.