What Aimpoint to purchase for Fal??

[LIONHART]

What Aimpoint should I purchase for my FAL?? I have a DSA Scope top cover, but is there a forward mount that would work for the DSA Cover to lift the Scope up a bit, so that I could also use my Irons?? Any help would be appreciated!

[frosty14]

If you are gonna put an aimpoint on your FAL you might as well go for the M2 or the ML2 in a 2x. and put it in the A.R.M.S. QD mount.
I have one on my AR and I put it on my fal from time to time. That is until I decide if I want to put a different piece of glass on it AR or FAL, which ever I decide to do it to.

[EMDII]

Like this:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=965796

[LIONHART]

EMDII,

Is that the ARMS Mount, or something else?

[dougjones31]

That is an ARMS mount.

[EMDII]

Originally posted by LIONHART
EMDII,

Is that the ARMS Mount, or something else?

ARMS #3
http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/graphics/00000001/3.gif

ARMS M68
http://mstn.biz/images/Mounts%20and%20rails/ARMS-22M68.gif

ARMS M68 Cantilever
http://www.mstn.biz/images/Mounts%20and%20rails/ARMS-22M68-EXTENSION.gif

[LIONHART]

Dude,

Thanks for helping a Bro out!

Appreciated!

[EMDII]

Jen has Comps available in Marketplace. Buy!

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117608

[SmokeEater2]

Ted, I think you just solved a mystery for Me. The webgear in the pic is Your Izzy rig correct? A canteen I justy picked up has the same shape cap on it except it all metal, So I'm assumimg its the older version (dated 67)

[Ranger1]

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117616

[EMDII]

Originally posted by SmokeEater2
Ted, I think you just solved a mystery for Me. The webgear in the pic is Your Izzy rig correct? A canteen I justy picked up has the same shape cap on it except it all metal, So I'm assumimg its the older version (dated 67)

I am outted!
Yah, got that rig from Eli Wong, complete. An excellent piece of raid gear.

[UsedToBe curt]

i just used the aimpoint mount, the one with the knob sticking out, and my irons are in the lower part of the fOv.

[Fordzilla]

EMDII,
Does the ARMS M68 Cantalever mount atop a piccatinny rail? Does it have a piccatinny configuration atop?

I have a Mepor 21 Reflex scope configured to mount atop a piccatinny, but I want to have ready access to my iron sights for all but night fire. Can I mount the M68 onto my piccatinny rail on my receiver, then mount the scope atop the M68?

[mojo_matic]

I wouldn't recommend the 2X for CQB....which should be done with both eyes open. Reasons are obvious.

I've tried a number of optics on my FALs...just didn't do anything for me...and I tried really hard to do find a reason for the optics!

My choice...a para sight with small and large M16A2 aperature. Awsome!

[EMDII]

Originally posted by Fordzilla
EMDII,
Does the ARMS M68 Cantalever mount atop a piccatinny rail? Does it have a piccatinny configuration atop?

I have a Mepor 21 Reflex scope configured to mount atop a piccatinny, but I want to have ready access to my iron sights for all but night fire. Can I mount the M68 onto my piccatinny rail on my receiver, then mount the scope atop the M68?

The M68 is MilSpec, as are all the ARMS components/rails.

Is that Meprolight?

ARMS (call/write NED at www.mountsplus.com : great guy!) makes a replacement top-half ring for the M68:
http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/graphics/00000001/22trc.gif . You can use this to mount a device above the captured scope.See here for additional detaials. (http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/merchant.mvc?page=MSP/PROD/arms-rings/22TRC)


Does your Meprolight already have the Picattiny 'foot' like this?
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/mepro_m21.jpg
http://www.calssportingarmory.com/Meprolight%20Images/ML96330.jpg
http://www.meprolight.com/img/cat/c5.jpg

If so, then I can't think of how the M68 (which is a mount for the Comp M2) can help. The CANTILEVER is a direct mate for the lower ring-half, so you remove the lower ring-half, install the cantilever, and then add the lower ring-half atop the Cantilever. This raised up the ass'y, but does not provide 'through' sighting. The 22TRC from ARMS is a way to put a device atop a Comp, but won't help you put anything atop a Meprolight R-21.

[Fordzilla]

I don't want to mount anything atop the M21, I just want to elevate the M21 in a way that allows the scope and iron sights to co-witness. I'm not really so crazy about red dot optics, I just need a night-time solution, as, in my line of work, more often than not, these situations tend to arise at night.
Its okay, though, I found a "see through" piccatinny rail which mounts atop my weapon's piccatinny rail, which should allow me to use my iron sights at the same time. That failing, I've since found that ARMS' ARMLR1EO is a similar "see through" mount for co-witnessing scope/sights. It looks like this:

http://www.armsmounts.com/viewimg.php?item_id=54&image=picture

I should have my components by late next week. I'll keep you posted and post pics if I get the whole thing together and working smoothly.

[EMDII]

Dareyago!

Any riser will do, but I wasn't sure of your iobjective. Alles Klar now!

[Fordzilla]

I just got back from the gym, and found that my riser mount had come in the mail from Tapco. All I'm waiting for now is for my piccatinny mount to come from DSA.

[Fordzilla]

This is how I've got my FAL configured so far:

http://www.supermotors.org/getfile.php?id=146980&toggle=fullsize&f=.jpg

http://www.supermotors.org/getfile.php?id=146981&toggle=fullsize&f=.jpg

http://www.supermotors.org/getfile.php?id=146982&toggle=fullsize&f=.jpg

http://www.supermotors.org/getfile.php?id=146984&toggle=fullsize&f=.jpg

More on this later tonight when I have some time.

[Sayeret Tzanhanim]

Geez Ted,
There you go with that Izzy gear, again!
Must be stuck on you.
;)

[Fordzilla]

Originally posted by Sayeret Tzanhanim
Geez Ted,
There you go with that Izzy gear, again!
Must be stuck on you.
;)

Uh, at the risk of sounding ignorant...

I don't get a word of that! :sad:

[Coronach]

Doesn't that optic sit really high? How do you get a good cheekweld?

Mike

[Fordzilla]

Originally posted by Coronach
Doesn't that optic sit really high? How do you get a good cheekweld?

Mike


Yes, its quite high. You really don't get a "cheekweld", but more of a "chinweld."

I purposely worded this post by saying that "this is how I've got my FAL configured so far." The reason for that is that I am in the experimental stage right now. The only reason for the optics and mounts is that, as an LEO who purchased this weapon as a duty-carbine, I definitely need a night time, or low-light solution. Statistically speaking, the majority of all police-involved shootings occur at night, or at least in low light. Add to that the fact that I am the evening shift watch commander, and you can see why I am concerned with shooting in the dark. I have to be absolutely accountable for any rounds I let loose, not to mention that I need hits to survive. (hypothetically speaking, of course)
I orginally thought I was going to be able to put a tritium front post on the weapon, a weapon light, and be done with it. However, a phone conversation with Giovanni at DSA revealed that since the carbine version has a shorter sight radius, a very thin front post is needed, and the tritium version is so much thicker that it covers a 3' swath of the target at 100yds.
A buddy of mine has a SOCOM16, which comes equipped with a tritium front post, and he finds it be very effective. Maybe I should contact Springfield Armoury, and find out who they contracted to make the front post.
Anyway, it has a lot of bugs to work out, the main one being that the riser mount was made with about five times as much metal on the base than is needed, resulting in it being VERY thick. Because of this, I had to raise my rear sight as high as it would go, and the front post as well. The spring is apparently causing the front post to cant in its base, causing my formerly zeroed windage to hit about 4-6" left at 100 yds, so I had to adjust the windage. I don't like the idea of that.
I called DSA again today, and spoke with Dennis about possibility of sending him my riser mount to have their machine shop mill as much metal as possible from the bottom of the riser mount, (going in from the inside of the "see through" passage) resulting in a mount that would interfere with the normal iron sights much less, or not at all. At present, the entire bottom half of my sight picture is occluded by the riser mount. I was still able to get a very excellent group this way at 100yds using the iron sights, but I would rather have a less obstructed, or totally unobstructed picture of my iron sights.
To my surprise, Dennis at DSA was very receptive to my suggestion of some machine work on the riser mount, and says they constantly have LEOs contacting them who want a solution to make the iron sights and optics cowitness, thus they are very interested in a solution for the problem. He said they will experiment with the idea of milling this riser mount to find a solution. I'll keep you fellows posted on this, but, once again, I'm very impressed with DSA's interest and willingness to find a solution to this problem. They definitely do seem committed to providing for the needs of LEOs in their weapon systems, which is naturally appealing to me.