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FALPhil
September 11, 2001, 13:14
Rumor has it that NICS has been shut down until further notice. I heard it from a guy in the office that just went down the street to purchase ammo. I don't know if this is just NY or everywhere.

Any FFLs on this board confirm?

corleone000
September 11, 2001, 13:18
just bought some 9mm ammo about an hour ago in NC... Just needed ammo - nothing related to the stuff going on up north..

Offctr
September 11, 2001, 13:25
My FFL works out of his house and confirms that NICS calls get a recording stating that the system is "offline" till further notice and a reminder that it is illegal to conduct a firearm transaction without a check.
Ammo should still be OK tho unless you live somewhere a check is needed for that( dont know where that is ). Can other people in other parts of the country check ?

fubar
September 11, 2001, 13:33
Probably because of the general evacuation of Fed offices ordered in DC.

AR-45ACP
September 11, 2001, 20:36
Originally posted by Fubar:
<STRONG>Probably because of the general evacuation of Fed offices ordered in DC.</STRONG>

If it's still down tomorrow I am willing to bet it is to keep people from buying guns to go shoot the Arab at the corner stop and rob.

Offctr
September 11, 2001, 20:38
I would not be surprised if there were some retaliatory attacks in queens and brooklyn tonight at some of the mosques that Bin Laden and his ilk have been to in the past.

AR-45ACP
September 11, 2001, 20:43
Originally posted by Offctr:
<STRONG>I would not be surprised if there were some retaliatory attacks in queens and brooklyn tonight at some of the mosques that Bin Laden and his ilk have been to in the past.</STRONG>

Offctr, I live in MI and the Nat.Gaurd is patroling Dearborn,MI as there are alot of Arabs that live in that area.Apparently they are anticipating somthing to happen.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: AR-45ACP ]

Sophicles
September 11, 2001, 20:52
Dont need NICS with a CCW in NC...I love it ;)

F4GIB
September 11, 2001, 20:54
<STRONG>Probably because of the general evacuation of Fed offices ordered in DC.</STRONG>

The NICS offices are in boondock West Virginia. This is just an example of how the Brady bill can be misused to prevent gun sales whenever the feds choose to do so.

Offctr
September 11, 2001, 21:05
He could still be correct as I understand all federal offices were closed this morning I guess we will find out tomorrow morning if they open back up or not.

*Templar*
September 11, 2001, 21:14
NICS has been up all day as far as I know. We were selling anything black and mean looking like it was 1994 all over again.

Sold out of 7.62x39mm!

There were some slow periods, probably because of the overwhelming background check requests, but they all cleared in about an hour or so.

If they are down tomorrow, then yes, something is up. I was actually suprised we were able to sell guns today.

Offctr
September 11, 2001, 21:22
Hmm --see my earlier post regarding my FFL this afternoon guess maybe they shut it down for a while or maybe it was just NY. tomorrow will be interesting.
Listening to an Army National Guard convoy on the scanner escorted by SP making its way south on the thruway --stopped in newburgh @ Stewart air nat guard base to fuel trucks and allow troops to stop and eat a quick meal - before heading south agian to NYC
probably to assist police in securing lower manhattan and bridges etc.
Mayor just announced that there would be patrols through arab neighborhoods to prevent violence.

Havoc
September 11, 2001, 21:33
My FFL works out of his house and confirms that NICS calls get a recording stating that
the system is "offline" till further notice and a reminder that it is illegal to conduct a
firearm transaction without a check.

BULLSHIT!

It is NOT illegal to sell a firearm without a NICS check. Congress made it clear: the requirement
to use NICS only exists if the system is up and running. The statute is unambiguous: 18 USC 922(t)(5) provides a penalty
for failing to use NICS only if "the system was operating and information was available", and then only if the purchaser would
have been found to be ineligible.

Quote from 18 USC 922(t)(5), i.e. the Brady Bill follows:
(5) If the licensee knowingly transfers a firearm to such other
person and knowingly fails to comply with paragraph (1) of this
subsection with respect to the transfer and, at the time such other
person most recently proposed the transfer, the national instant
criminal background check system was operating and information was
available to the system demonstrating that receipt of a firearm by
such other person would violate subsection (g) or (n) of this
section or State law, the Secretary may, after notice and
opportunity for a hearing, suspend for not more than 6 months or
revoke any license issued to the licensee under section 923, and
may impose on the licensee a civil fine of not more than $5,000.

Offctr
September 11, 2001, 21:55
I will have to talk with him more in depth tomorrow and see what the system says in the morning From what we know now it may have been a foible of their phone system as they bailed out or as the system became overloaded ---did he embelish about the recording or add his own spin ?? dont know will have to find out in the morning -- there was ovbously too much hysteria early this afternoon to tell.He's a pretty reliable guy and usually his word is good but when it comes to the letter of the law he has to get out the book himself and look it up.

SoonerMan
September 11, 2001, 23:31
I bought an AR at around 5 pm central time today. NICS was up and running.

Enquiring Minds
September 11, 2001, 23:40
A DSA Type-2 FAL rcvr was purchased in AZ today, around 1315 PDT, the NICS went quickly... but I can't say who the buyer was... ;)

PS: It *would* be extremely bad for our RKBA cause if Bubbas started shooting anyone who worships at a mosque, but I don't think shutting down firearms sales is the answer.

Mr. Magoo
September 12, 2001, 00:40
I stocked up on more SA .308 today at my local gun shop. The place was jammed with people buying firearms & ammo. I'm figuring now is a good time to stock up on ammo and mags. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

*Templar*
September 12, 2001, 07:45
I can't comment on what happens when you try to call one in, because we are set up to do it on a secure line via the computer, so NICS takes the information and then either gives us an immediate approval or a delay. As busy as we were, it only started to give out delays around 3:30 or 4pm. Most cleared within the hour though.

I'm about to go into the shop, so we'll see what happens today.

fullygruntled
September 12, 2001, 08:44
Another flip side of this...

on the way back to work from lunch yesterday, I stopped at a sporting goods store I occasionally shop at. I, too, was struck with the compulsion to buy ammunition.

Anyway, the bastard there decided yesterday would be a perfect day to start price gouging. He wanted $15 for a box of that shitty WOLF .223 ammo. Prices on everything else were at least 50% higher. I told him to f-off directly and will be damned if I ever step in that place again (at least without carrying a 12-lb. sledge).

FWRA
September 12, 2001, 13:18
Originally posted by *Templar*:
<STRONG>I can't comment on what happens when you try to call one in, because we are set up to do it on a secure line via the computer, so NICS takes the information and then either gives us an immediate approval or a delay. As busy as we were, it only started to give out delays around 3:30 or 4pm. Most cleared within the hour though.

I'm about to go into the shop, so we'll see what happens today.</STRONG>

Hmmm. Darn NICS! I was the first to sign up for that computer check but my latest bulletin said they were not going to set it up until next January. How does it work and when did you get online?

How did you guys rate? :-)

Best Regards,
Mark Powell
FWRA

*Templar*
September 12, 2001, 19:59
Everything was fine today, sold more Arsenal Bulgarian SA-M7's and SAR-1's and DSA STG-58A's, along with a shit load of ammo.

FWRA, Virginia was the first state in the country to institute an instant check, through the VA State Police, and when the Brady check went into effect, through NICS, it just got tacked onto our VA system. We've had computer check here since 1994 I believe, if not a year earlier.

Chipmunk
September 13, 2001, 06:48
"Templar".....sure hope y'aalll reordered ammo
More than likely be by Sat. if you have parking
spaces open.LOL
Chipmunk :D

Offctr
September 13, 2001, 08:15
I spoke with My FFL last night agian and after six different tries he got the same recording twice but got through 4 times so maybe it was just volume that caused it the other day coupled with the uncertanty of what was going on.I did not get to listen to the recording personally so what it says about the checks or illeagality I cant say for sure.

*Templar*
September 13, 2001, 08:24
Chipmunk, if you need some 7.62x39mm, I have plenty in my private stash. Give me a shout at work or email me and let me know if you need some.

Chipmunk
September 13, 2001, 18:00
Thanks "Templar"....I'm not low on x39 or x51 either
for that matter ...getting kind of low on 45acp h/p
and 9mm h/p though.See ya saturday.
Best of luck to you and yours.
Chipmunk :D

VoceNoctum
September 13, 2001, 19:55
Just to be clear, some states (like Florida) have their own computer systems linked via computer to NICS.
Some states call NICS directly.
It's possible that the people at NICS were overwhelmed, or that they were closed, or a lot of things, but Florida was still running fine the whole time.