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B Wood
March 20, 2004, 17:41
With the popularity of the FAL here, I figured there would be more info on carry options for mags.

Been searching for high quality, MODERN mag pouches / carry options. Eagle Industries is a no-go....Hate Blackhawk gear since it is made in Viet Nam. Only other option I have seen is Tactical Tailor.

What is everyone else using....and where are some good sources?

Looking for either a vest or to build my own LBE rig.

Thanks in advance

B Wood

yovinny
March 20, 2004, 17:50
I can understand the feelings about blackhawk, it's why I dont buy there stuff. Most of the other brands are made overseas also. But why no Eagle gear ?? There 100% USA made and the owner, John Carver is a great guy. Or are they still that backed up with USGI orders ??
YOOO VINNY

Broadsword
March 20, 2004, 18:13
I have access to some decent prices on Arktis stuff (close to dealer if not dealer cost) Maby we all need to come together for a group buy. Everyone chime in and I'll get with my guy and see if we can get a group buy going.
http://www.arktisusa.com
Broadsword

garybob
March 20, 2004, 19:06
http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/003.html

B Wood
March 20, 2004, 19:06
I love Eagle gear...I know Matt at Eagle. The problem with Eagle is they really don't have FAL / M-14 sized pouches or vests.....and they are BACKED UP like you wouldn't beleive with Gov't orders. I have two Eagle vests and they put ANYTHING Blackhawk ever dreamed of making to shame.

Any other suggestions?

B Wood

Gunga Din
March 20, 2004, 22:01
How about the Canadian P82 nylon gear?
If that is ok, I can find you some references.

milhol
March 21, 2004, 03:23
Apart from Mountain Designs SAS webbing I've always gotten my own designs made. Usually variations on existing designs like the three pouch chest rig and highly modified SA vests.
If you do have your own made make sure the person making it understands exactly what you want and why, be there when they start and in between because they never seem to get it exactly right.;)

Broadsword
March 21, 2004, 03:41
Mountain Designs SAS Webbing?
Don't think I've heard of that. Can you tell me more?
Got any pics?
Broadsword

milhol
March 21, 2004, 09:34
A long time ago, according to rumour, an ex SAS trooper designed a load bearing system that was similar but still a vast improvement on the then in service web gear (1990). It was based on a web belt with furry velcro on the inside, the pouches had loops with the hook velcro on the inside instead of ALICE clips so you just put the belt throught the loops and pressed the velcro together and there they stayed regardless of what you did.
There were all sorts of pouches, a three mag SLR pouch with dividers, minimi pouch with outside attachments for panic pouches and with zip up pouch on top for cleaning kit or whatever, smoke grenade pouches, comfort pad, etc so you could mix and match as per the mission requirement. All in Auscam.
Rumour has it he put it in for tender to replace the pattern 58, the Army knocked it back because it was too expensive and came up with their own design which coincidentally had some similar features but was never going to be as good.
Doesn't sound as impressive now as when it first came out, we didn't have any where near the variety we do now, but it is still good kit and would hold it's own against some of the vests out there. I pulled it out a few weeks ago and tried it back on, still very comfortable. I know some soldiers who still wear it and are very happy with it.
Sorry no digital camera and am away from it for a while. Try to get some pics when I get back.

As a side note I'm not sure if that is the correct name for it, but that's what most of us called it. I wore it up until I got my SADF vest.

Finski
March 21, 2004, 11:06
Hmmn has anybody mentioned Paraclete yet???

http://www.lightfighter.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=66194%7C1273557&PRID=1285013

Finski

madscientist1
March 21, 2004, 19:40
Eagle does make fal/m14 mag pouches and stuff, I'm looking at my drop leg mag pouch for the fal right now.

Mike

B Wood
March 21, 2004, 20:00
I think that is the only pouch made by Eagle. Try looking for Load Bearing gear pouches (mag pouches) for belt use, and the pics becomes grim if you want Eagle. I spoke with Matt J at Eagle about this and he agreed. Everyone is Sooooooooooo into M-4's that thir focus is there instead of FAL's / M-14's. Despite M-14's being pulled into service for Afghan and Iraq....web gear for these is limited compared to the M4. Think I am going to go with Tactical Tailor.

I think this discussion is a good one. Very helpful


B Wood

madscientist1
March 21, 2004, 20:05
If you could find one cheap, the drop leg that I have is usuable on the belt, and I have another mag pouch from eagle , that holds 6 ar mags for 5 fal mags, which I keep loaded :-) I think it's a saw drum pouch.

I thought that the vests would allow you to hold ar or or 308 mags, just not as many?

Mike

yovinny
March 21, 2004, 20:39
Eagle has double side by side pouches for both 20 & 30rd FAL, M14 or G3 mags, or at least they did, I have a bunch in both OD and black.
Don't know about there SAW pouch, I dont have any of them. The USGI SAW pouch will fit 5-20rd FAL or equiv. mags, and the tripple AR-30rd pouch will hold 2 with the dividers removed. In either it's a loose and deep fit that lets the mags bang around and isent really the best.
If you dont mind canvas theres always the "universal" USGI pouch, made to fit 2-M14 or 4-30rd carbine mags. These can be found cheap, $5-9. each in like new condition, from some surplus places or on e-bay.
YOOO VINNY

Finski
March 22, 2004, 10:46
Speaking of canvas pouches where can I find single M14 pouches?
The ones with a beltloop, I´m bit uncomfortable with 2 mag pouches for competition (IPSC rifle) as you open the lid everything is going to be spilled out(south african 2mag pouch).

Have only one of those single pouches and it works well, I even use it for AK mag also, could use couple more.

Magpulls are something one can use to set down the clacking noise from mags, altought they won´t fit to all pouches, but if you have loose one they work like marvel.

Finski

Broadsword
March 22, 2004, 12:50
milhol,
Thanks for the intel dump on the SAS rig. Sounds interesting. I look forward to seeing those pics when you can post them. I'm currently working on a Falklands Era SAS "Belt Order" to complement my L1A1. So far I've managed to aquire the roll pin strap that I've sent to Tactical Tailor to be resewn, the correct P44 water bottle and cup with P44 water bottle pouch,and escape ration pouch. I think I may have a line on the SAS issue double L1A1 mag pouch and P58 compass pouch as well. I have a second exellent condition P44 water bottle and cup but the P44 water bottle pouches are proving hard to track down these days. Seems the SAS stuff is drying up and the items you can find are bringing a premium price. Thats good I guess. Makes finding the last few items I need a challenge. I wonder what my completed rig will be valued at on the collectors market.
Has anyone looked at the Arktis Norloose rig? Might be something to check into.
Broadsword

yovinny
March 22, 2004, 18:11
Finski, I've still got some single M14 pouches from Vinny's basement mag pouch sale :shades:

Check here, #1 in the pic. http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99074

Havoc
March 22, 2004, 22:23
Looking for either a vest or to build my own LBE rig.

If your handy with a sewing awl you can take a $20 GI LBV, cut off the M4 pouches and sew on some canadian FAL pouches for something like this.link (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92894)

Andy the Aussie
March 22, 2004, 22:30
Milhol.....the kit you are talking about is that the same gear that "he with little hair" use to have at 3RAR...???? I remember it from way back then.....Jesus...what is it....10 years now..???

Andy :cool:

milhol
March 23, 2004, 05:01
Yup, that's the stuff. Bought it on his recommendation. Trying to find smoke grenade pouches for the harness.

PennsylvaniaLongRifle
March 23, 2004, 23:08
Anybody know where I can find more pics. of this ARKTIS gear?

Broadsword
March 23, 2004, 23:56
Just do a search for Arktis International. The arktisusa site doesn't have real nice pics but the UK sight does. I don't have the link but it should come up in a search.
Broadsword

John Randolph
March 23, 2004, 23:59
I'd highly recommend Tactical Tailor. You won't find better gear, at a better price. www.tacticaltailor.com

The 2 piece MAV with padded yoke is the most comfortable piece of gear I've ever owned, especially important when carrying 6 mags of 7.62x51. It's very adjustable, and well thought out. Also they'll do slight custom modifications if you have something specific you'd like. I had them put duty belt loops on the bottom part of the MAV. I had tried several different rigs and set-ups before trying them, and now I don't buy anything else.

Do a search on tactical tailor. You'll find many people who second my opinion.

PennsylvaniaLongRifle
March 24, 2004, 00:29
Thanks Broadsword:beer:

JeffJ
March 24, 2004, 11:06
I have a drop leg from High speed gear (got it from texas tactical). Holds 4 M14/FAL mags and worked great at the Fal match...

Broadsword
March 24, 2004, 11:24
John,
Are you using the TT MAV as described above for your FAL?
Can you post some pics of your rig fully loaded out and give us an idea of what your carrying in it?
Broadsword

John Randolph
March 24, 2004, 12:38
Tell you what I've got a meeting in an hour, but I'll take some pictures tonight, and email them to you. My camera kind of sucks, so the pictures are either too big or too small, and I'd be embarrassed to take up a huge amount of bandwidth inadvertently.

To give you an idea I'm a lefty:
Here is the basic configuration, the only difference is how I have the pouches set up, and this doesn't have a utility belt, which mine does. http://www.tacticaltailor.com/catalog/detail/xharness.htm

The two piece Mav, has two (2 mag) 7.62 pouches on my right side next to each other, moving to the right are extra utility pouche for flashlight, and pistol mags.

The left side has one (2 mag) 7.62 pouch, then a large utility pouch which I use for a dump bag/misc. then moving to the left are a couple of small utility pouches for compass/misc items and/or a gps "fag-bag"(medic pouch, shears etc...).. On the left front of the yoke is a motorola radio pouch.

Down the back, I've got a hydration pouch attached to the yoke, then down attaching to a utility belt (which is attached to the 2 piece MAV by custom belt loops) and butt pack which brings the whole rig together very nicely. It fits my body like a glove, with little movement, but no chafing.

The best part is that with a ruck, there is no bunching of the two straps. The ruck straps fit perfectly over the yoke, like you'd always hoped would be possible. It helps keep your arms from going numb.

My next purchase is the TT extended 3 day ruck, which is more than enough pack for me. Fully loaded it comes in at about 50 lbs (20-25lbs combat load) with rifle and pistol, but it feels better than it sounds. It's nicely balanced if you do it right.

coulter6
March 24, 2004, 12:38
If you're looking for pouches for competition, I found a great source. I just got into 3 gun competitions and found these pouches. They're not even close to GI style stuff, but very usable in competition. They are a little pricey but very well made and functional. Hand made, tension adjustable, and you don't have to take off your belt to attach them.

3 Gun Gear (http://www.3gungear.com/3%20Gun%20Rifle.htm)

Broadsword
March 24, 2004, 13:30
Thanks John,
I look forward to seeing pics and talking more about your rig.
I've been looking arounf the TT site and have come up with a couple of configurations that might work for my needs. Price wise the TT rig isn't any more than the other options out there. Looks like I can get in under $250.00.
Thats not bad for a complete semi custon rig.
Broadsword

John Randolph
March 24, 2004, 16:27
Camera's charge was dead. Charging...should have something to you by bedtime. Could you pm me your email?

You'll get yourself a very nice rig for $250. IIRC I spend a little less than that on mine.

You should be prepared to spend at least $200 to get a modern rig of good quality. That $200 goes a long way at TT.

Gunga Din
March 26, 2004, 00:55
John's photos:
http://www.fototime.com/4C424477D790CB5/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/7E944D8A72A4FE2/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/ABDC1F25D224676/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/0E705EBD2D080EC/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/E8994D0F839D250/orig.jpg

Dorsai
March 26, 2004, 12:24
My Arktis vest will hold 3 FAL mags each in the 4 mag pouches. 12 mags total, but I have to say, loaded up that makes for a heavy load.

John Randolph
March 26, 2004, 14:10
It sure is. One of my first vest purchases was the FMCO vest, which carried 12 mags.I couldn't even move. Couldn't twist...couldn't do a damn thing.

I think for .308, 6 mags is about as much as you can carry and still be functionally mobile.

dadman
March 26, 2004, 15:31
John,
Gear looks good.
I have a Tactical Tailor 2 piece MAV(from LightFighter) and am considering setting it up like yours.
How does your belt attach to the MAV body?

John Randolph
March 26, 2004, 15:46
On each panel of the MAV, I had TT install two simple loops with an adjustable plastic buckle. You can see one on the third picture, just to the left of the utility belt buckle.

The buttpack, and hydration system attaches to the belt, and then the hydration loops up to attach to the yoke, which makes a complete circuit. The Yoke also attaches to the MAV in the back by the two straps that pass under the hydration system. Which is the one thing I'm going to change on the rig, as the pouch I had to hillbilly-rig, and TT has subsequently come out with their own pouch.

PS...Thanks Gunga for posting these. You're a better man than I. :wink:

Farmer from Hell
March 26, 2004, 16:20
Originally posted by PennsylvaniaLongRifle
Anybody know where I can find more pics. of this ARKTIS gear?

Lightfighter (http://www.lightfighter.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=184) has this for $161.

http://www.lightfighter.com/ProductImages/Arktis/ARK-1624-web.jpg

I seen military griffin has them, I think, on Ebay for $140.

FfH

edblevi
March 27, 2004, 10:32
Just my .02, but I bought a Tactical Vest from "Miltec" by Sturm , through Sportman's Guide. It was cheap around $40 w/ shipping. Really it was made or the mag pouches were made for AR, with seperations. Well I all ready have a "Denali" set up for that, just needed a good cheap option for the FAL mags. If you cut out the seperators on about 4 pockets, the rest are pretty big pockets. I can fit well over 10 FAL mags on the vest. That is just in the front pockets, as there are two (left and right) side pockets, that could be used for around 4-6 mags a piece. I haven't done this though as it would be heavy as hell! I was thinking stripper clips and other supplies. It also has a small back pack for my water bladder, and plenty attachment straps, etc.. for a buttpack and additional packs if I want to add to it. Right now I just use it when I go out blasting, so I haven't added anything. However it does have potential and I will probably start working on that. Good price and good bargin.

This setup looks to be the same "type" vest as "Gunga Din" has posted pics for, though I am sure he invested more. I could add the same options to this as he has. The biggest thing I can say right now is I haven't taken this load on long excursions, to see how it rubs. I plan to evaluate it more as time permits this summer. For right now, it was cheap and options are plenty, so we will see?

Gunga Din
March 27, 2004, 22:30
Not mine - those photos are of John Randolph's gear. I just posted the photos. He described the load-out in a post near the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

STxDR
March 30, 2004, 17:18
High Speed Gear makes some nice drop legs/malice clip to pistol belt and harness's for the FAL. I think I might be buying a chest harness in the future.

FN74
April 02, 2004, 17:19
B,
I just got the MESA vest from www.practicaltactical.com and use it with blackhawk pouches for now. I plan on replacing the pouches with something differant, but you won't find a better vest IMHO.

http://www.practicaltactical.net/assets/images/Protoype2-1.jpg

South African Design. American Quality. The MESA Assault Vest, by Practical Tactical.

Manufactured exclusively for Practical Tactical by High Speed Gear, the MESA (MOLLE Enhanced South African) Assault Vest is a modernized version of the battle-tested South African P-83 vest.

The MESA is equipped with PALS webbing, making it capable of utilizing any MOLLE-compatible pouch.

The Practical Tactical MESA has the basic design that made the P-83 so popular, however incorporates many new additions making it more functional and user friendly:

Lightly padded shoulders, back panel and waist protects you from your gear.
Open design allows full-range of motion.
The PALS-covered external hydration pocket for a hydration bladder means your water is not on the inside of the vest, pressing against your back. The padded back panel also helps insulate the water from your body heat.
A flap on the hydration pocket protects your hydration unit from external hazards.
Full-length storage pockets within the side panels for maps or other items. No noisy Velcro®, bulky zippers or uncertain snaps for closure. Can fit a Government-sized 45 handgun.
Internal accessory pockets for pens, flashlights, etc., can also be used for a field-expedient holster, and will accommodate a Government-sized .45 pistol.
Delrin® “D” rings for attaching small items, like Krill lamps, chem. lights, etc.
Delrin® rings for attaching a pistol belt (straps sold separately).
One-inch webbing straps, three in front, one on each shoulder and three on each side allow for vertical and horizontal adjustment to fit nearly any size.
Vest’s body is made of tactical-grade mesh for breathability, not solid Cordura® like some vests.
Tactical grade elastic securely holds your hydration tube
The MESA Assault Vest. Time-tested design. Battle-proven quality. Only at Practical Tactical.

Available in Khaki and Olive Drab. Black available by special order.


http://www.practicaltactical.net/assets/images/SAField4.jpg
http://www.practicaltactical.net/assets/images/Protoype2-7.jpg
http://www.practicaltactical.net/assets/images/Prototype2-3.jpg

Link to a review by military moron: http://www.militarymorons.com/ (click on the MESA review)

My initial impressions have been MOST favorable, and you know my background B!

;)

JoeLad
April 07, 2004, 21:18
Tactical Assault Gear (http://store.tacticalassaultgear.com/molle-s-t-r-i-k-e--gen-4.html) lists a MOLLE STRIKE pouch from Blackhawk that holds two M14 or similar 7.62 magazines. I don't really care for Blackhawk's choice of manufacturing locations, but their STRIKE stuff is top notch.

JoeLad:D

masman
April 08, 2004, 17:13
Originally posted by PennsylvaniaLongRifle
Anybody know where I can find more pics. of this ARKTIS gear?

try green mtn gear (http://www.green-mountain-gear.com/) he carrys other brands also if arktis doesnt float your boat.

SPIErig
May 02, 2004, 17:03
I have the FMCO Fal/M14 vest hold 8 mags. Good quality and has survieved a long patrol in the field. Ive added Spec Ops HUMP, butt pack, xtra canteens, a utility pouch and a m14 pouch. everything rides well. www.antipersonnel.net