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Broadsword
March 17, 2004, 10:46
Whats this I hear about a mystic piece of L1A1 kit. I've heard refrences to this RM issue arctic sling. Sounds like it's pretty rare. Can anyone shed some light on it for me. Is it really that rare and does anyone make a reproduction?
Is there any other issue specialist equipment for the FAL issued in arctic or mountain areas?
Broadsword

Dean P
March 17, 2004, 11:11
Look at page 253 of the FAL book by Blake Stevens, it has a list of slings.

justashooter
March 17, 2004, 12:39
deltaten was in a discussion with some of our aussie friends about this topic a year ago. do a search using his username and the serach phrase arctic stock, or arctic sling, and you will get the dwgs and photos kevin shared.

Gunga Din
March 17, 2004, 15:22
From one British Kit geardo to another, it's:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54383

Broadsword
March 17, 2004, 21:26
Got it. Thanks guys.
Anyone reproducing these things?
Broadsword

Rooster
March 18, 2004, 01:07
It may not be an exact replica, but I will see what I can do for you. Will need to do a little playing around to figure out the best way to do this.

Broadsword
March 18, 2004, 03:49
You Da Man Roost.
I'd be looking for two of them and I venture to guess you might sell more than that. Keep us posted.
By the way. Do you really keep your feathers numbered?
:bow:
Broadsword

Rooster
March 18, 2004, 17:58
Originally posted by Broadsword
You Da Man Roost.
I'd be looking for two of them and I venture to guess you might sell more than that. Keep us posted.
By the way. Do you really keep your feathers numbered?
:bow:
Broadsword

No problem Broad. As yes I do keep my feathers numbered.

EMDII
March 20, 2004, 08:57
Originally posted by Rooster
It may not be an exact replica, but I will see what I can do for you. Will need to do a little playing around to figure out the best way to do this.

Do it!

Rooster
March 20, 2004, 14:19
I will be starting on this project early next week as I am currently waiting on a delivery from my materials supplier. Just wanted to give an update for those that were interested.

masman
March 20, 2004, 15:23
Originally posted by EMDII


Do it!

yes do it tapco sold a few of the stocks.so im sure there are alot of guys who would love to have the right sling for thier rifle

Deltaten
March 20, 2004, 15:43
Yeah, TAPCO had the stocks, but, IIRC, they didn't havr the fore-end piece.
Without the front band, all ya have is a side-sling stock. In and of itself, that's a pretty good thing, but......

According to Kevin, who is the end-all/be-all judge (IMHO) of things ABC; the front bands are scarce as hen's teeth. If memory serves, he's gotten one from god-knows-where, or someone sent him one for "study" and pix.
I have the remnants of one. The "snap" part is gone, but the band, screw, and base of the clip is there yet.


Lemme see if I can access the pix Kevin posted of the sling set-up

Regards,
Paul

Deltaten
March 20, 2004, 15:53
From all appearances, the buckle on the sling snapped into the clip, and the hook (HK type?) went onto the regular sling swivel. A lanyard attached at the same point was used as the keeper for the muzzle cover.

Kevin (?) also posted a few sketches of the set-up. I don't know if they are archived or not, as it was over a year ago.

Mebbe 'Recce' would know how it all went together and was used, and will chime in.

**edit note**
How about English Mike (?). Mebbe he'd know a current or former RM to 'splain the system??
The link to the thread was a martch down memory lane... thanks! :)

Best,
Paul

yovinny
March 20, 2004, 17:58
Did all of these have that front band ??

I have one someplace that's brand new, I'll have to look for it. I know it was less the muzzle cap but had the lanyard, I dont think it had that band though ??

Broadsword
March 20, 2004, 18:11
I'm not a manufacturer but the band looks pretty simple. If enough of us got together maby we could get some of these made up.
Does that sound like a posibility or am I way off here?
Broadsword

justashooter
March 21, 2004, 18:38
paul's was spring steel, about 18 gauge, and missing the J hook. IIRC he got it with a buttstock to match from a fella who had bought a batch of brit kits in the late 80's from century. seems i have a few from the same source.

Rooster
March 23, 2004, 20:25
Been a bit backed up lately, I will get around to working on this sometime this week hopefully.

NZ L1A1 Collector
March 29, 2004, 00:49
Off the top of my head.......

Yes the parts for the Arctic configurations are rare (although there must be tens of thousands of the fittings in storage somewhere)

If you look in the bible on page 171 and 172 of the Commonwealth section it has the pictures from the British L1A1 User Handbook 1977 (pages 34 and 35) showing the arrangements for the Army and for the Royal Marines Arctic slings.

NOTE: there are two versions/arrangements of slings.

For Arctic use both arrangements require the Rubber Muzzle Cover, L1A1 Nylon Lanyard and the short hollow Butt and side mounted sling fitting (like TAPCO was selling last year).



For the Army version it requires the Handguard mount/bracket and the L2A1 and L3A1 Green Nylon Slings
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=455078



For the Royal Marines version you require some different items and the L4A1 Green Nylon Sling.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=455132



Here's a sketch of the components for the slings. The metal fittings are basically H&K fittings.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=455080


Here's a pic of the handguard band fitted to the plastic handguards
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=589135



Here's a pic of the correct butt
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=589147



Pic of the rifle fitted with the metal fittings
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=589207


Rifle fitted with a H&K 3 point sling (this is what the British Army sling would look like almost)
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=589212


Here's some earlier threads about it all:-
check here (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=54383)
and here (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=71120)

Broadsword
March 31, 2004, 11:41
Does anyone make an aftermarket adapter or complete butt stock that has a side sling mount? I'd be happy with just a HK type sling over the standard L1A1 sling I have now.
Broadsword

Rooster
April 01, 2004, 17:41
Good news and bad news guys. It is possible but not probable that I will make any of these. Maybe somewhere down the road but not at this time.

NZ L1A1 Collector
April 01, 2004, 23:41
Broadsword: It would be easy to have a side mounted swivel on any solid wood or plastic stock by simply fitting an after market sling swivel (screw in type) into the side. The problem will be the other end and a method of providing an anchor point for the sling on the handguards or at the front sling swivel position. The Royal Marine version has a modified front sling swivel that then has a connection strap that allows the two H&K hooks to clip onto.

Point to note The Army's Handguard band (pictured) is designed to work ONLY with the plastic handguards as the band has two lugs on the underside that help keep it in position between the two bottom air vent slots.

Rooster
April 02, 2004, 01:29
Originally posted by Broadsword
Does anyone make an aftermarket adapter or complete butt stock that has a side sling mount? I'd be happy with just a HK type sling over the standard L1A1 sling I have now.
Broadsword

If you want to go this route, I can do one of my standard slings with a pocket type rear to fit your L1A1 buttstock. This will let you have the side mount on the back and will connect in to the existing front sling swivel.